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>First order of
business:
>The decaying state of BuffylovesWillow, now the list that started it and >gave birth too BuffyWantsWillow. However there has beensteady decrease in >posting on the buffyloveswillow list since November last year and the >monthly posting count now just hovers above one hundred. Decaying state of BuffyLovesWillow? Now how
in the world would you know if it's decaying or not? Just because there's
a decrease in posting doesn't mean that it's 'decaying'. For example,I
run the WillowSlashFic list also.... we have a mere 355 members and the last
post was on April 1 when Stephen Booth issued a challenge... before that, Alex
posted feedback for Triad on March 26th. It's very sporatic that posting
goes on over there......does that mean I should ask the members of that list if
it's even worth it to keep it open? I'd think not. People are on
that list because they want to read WILLOW SLASH FIC. People are on the
BuffyLovesWillow list because they want to read BUFFY LOVES WILLOW fic.
Not everyone enjoys smut or sex scenes and a lot of people find it degrading to
the characters as well as the actresses. It's their perogative to read or
not to read. Those who choose not to, belong soley to the BuffyLovesWillow
list.
>Now I assume that
Never assume anything.
>most of us that subscribe too BuffyWantsWillow are also members of >BuffyLovesWillow so we must ask us this would it be such a bad idea to merge >the two lists sincealmost everything gets cross posted? Yes, it is a very bad idea to 'merge' the
lists. They are seperate entities for a reason. If you haven't
read the rules or posting guidelines, let me refresh your memory. Buffy
Loves Willow is for the romantic side of their relationship. Nothing over
PG is acceptable because in reality, no one under 17 is supposed to be
subscribed to the list. If you recall when you signed up, you are required
to give your birthdate in assurance that, when a list is listed as 'adult in
nature' that you are unable to subscribe to it. This, of course, is all
nice in theory and I know there are a few 'underage' people subbed to BWW, but
my philosophy is, if you don't publicly advertise your age, then I can't catch
you and unsubb you... now can I?
Now, to back up my very strong statements,here are
the offical tally's for BuffyLovesWillow and Buffy LovesWillow:
Buffy Loves Willow members:
400
Buffy Wants Willow members: 681
Number of people who are subbed to BOTH
lists: 304
Which brings membership for both lists to a grand
total of 777
So there are 96 people subscribed only to Buffy
Loves Willow. Big hairy deal. Those people are on there for a
reason. Even if there were only 2 people subbed individually to that one
list, I wouldn't merge it. Simply because people are there for a
reason. I've come across a lot of underage people...mostly in the vicinity
of 16-19 that are struggling with their identities, sexual and otherwise.
It may be a round about way of doing it, but the answer I get 9 times out of 10
when I ask 'why are you subbed?' is "It makes me feel more comfortable with
myself and what my sexuality may be." Of course this isn't the main
purpose of the lists, but who am I to deny something to someone if they take
comfort in it and it helps them?
>Second order of
business:
>Feedback, not the lack of it rather the lack of honest feedback. This topic >has been raised before, but never publicly to my knowledge. I've been with >the list almost since it's birth and I've gotten a wee bit tired of the lack >critique in the feedback I get. I hope that other writers share this view >with me. This is what I propose; that group of people take on the >responsibility of giving honest feedback to writers, not flaming or anything >just an honest opinion, point on plot holes, lack of character development >and so forth, it's hard to improve your story when you never get that kind >of feedback. Lack of honest feedback, IMHO, is a personal
matter. Ask ten people what the word 'feedback' means to them concerning
fic and I'm sure you'll get ten different answers. More often than not I
see in "Author's notes: Feedback appriciated".... but when some people get
it, it's just not good enough, or critical enough or praising enough. If
you want a specific type of feedback, might I suggest stating so at the topof
your fic. "Honest comments and constructive criticism greatly
appreciated", or "Send all feedback personally off-list". Feedback is
nice, but it's not why I write. I write because I want to...because
there's something in my head that needs to make it to the paper or the
wordprocessor. I CHOOSE to share it with 777 strangers. I have
chosen lately to not share simply because the writing isn't 'in me' right now,
and I'm having real life issues of which you (collectively) know nothing
about.
Another suggesting I can make is posting your
fiction to http://www.fanfiction.net but here's
the catch. There are literally thousands of people posting fic for
hundreds of genre's. Anything from Popular to Harry Potter to Pokemonto
Backstreet Boys ::shudder::. I come here and I run this place becauseit's
a community. It's a tight knit community I believe that we've built and
have taken time to build. It's been over a year that these lists havebeen
in existance and I can tell you right now, I had 5 people sub to BWW today
alone.... subbing and unsubbing happens every day.... I know all of this for a
fact... ah the joys of being a list owner.... It's just a part of "list
life."
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>Final order of
business:
>The establishment of a new list, designed as a forum for new writers >wanting to post their creations without having to compete with the large >ongoing epics and stories written by well established writers. This forum >could also serve as a posting for the established writers who wish to write >new stories based on new ideas. Want to establish a new list? Knock yourself
out. No one is stopping you. I for one enjoy reading each and every
bit of fic posted on these lists be they epic or one shots. That's what
the lists are for.... fiction based on Buffy and Willow. How can you
subdivide the fiction into a oneshot list, an epic list, etc? That's
just... insane in my opinion.
These two lists are of the highest qualityaround
from what I've seen of the crap there is to join on yahoo groups. Yesthat
is a very vain statement, but also a true one. I didn't make these lists
what they are.... the members did... all 777 of them, including the
lurkers. I've gotten feedback from people who have been on this list since
the day it was 'born' and have never posted one word publicly. That....in
my opinion... says something.
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>With
regards,
>Cilia, writer PS
Soren....stick around.... I like you;) and don't stop writing. ~~Kimber (feeling overly honest and sick of the
bullshit)
Owner: BuffyWantsWillow, BuffyLovesWillow, WillowSlashFic List Gutter Lust Goddess, Masked Road Runner
(meep, meep!!), Keeper of the crazy lil comma, Elmer to Pat's Wabbit,self
proclaimed 'perfect drug' addict, and Official Tormenter the Phantom Chimpunk
and her band of crazy nuts. Proud supporter of the Mad Poet Society and
the Troll under the Bridge.
Proud Member of the BtVS Writers Guild:
Because fic makes anything possible.
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