OT let's keep this civilized please All the way spoilers included

["sc rose" <scrose@xxxxxxxx>]

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From: danspector@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:danspector@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 4:23 AM
To: buffyloveswillow@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: sc rose knows everything, I guess


Trying real hard to avoid snippyness, but that rather adamant tone
didn't go down that well.

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Actually, your analysis of the situation has been propounded, as far
back as four weeks ago, by Casandra. She thought perhaps that's what
the "Bargaining" title meant. I think she's wrong, but I could be
wrong. Unless you've seen the scripts, you might want to admit the
possibility you might be wrong.

I'm aware of it and happen to agree with Cassandra and not you so lets agree
to disagree this is degrading into flame territory and I don't want to have
to wear fire resistant clothing to read e-mail.

Dawn called on Osiris in "Forever" to resurrect Joyce. Her soul seems
undamaged. Yeah, Joyce wasn't a Slayer, but she died a natural death,
so resurrecting her was MORE of an offense against the natural order.
And I still tend to doubt that we'd be right back at gods after doing
that last year, it's repetitious. And using actual Egyptian gods after
the fictitious Glorificus last year seems to taint the mythology
(Egyptian, not Jossian).

Willow doesn't seem psycho to me. Bad choices, and bad writing to make
the stuff seem to come out of left field, but not "I sold my soul to
Osiris and am now his slave although why he wants to create party
decorations I don't know" stuff.

Ok I did not and do not dispute your addiction theory. Willow made magical
party favors to get her magic fix. She's not a "slave to Orsiris" that's not
the theory I'm stating what the magic does isn't even important. Only the
consistent and continual use of magic filling the hole in her soul. That she
might just be missing some part of her soul would explain a lot IN MY
OPINION.
It's obvious that joss is making use of the Egyptian mythos but that those
same gods demanded very high prices for the gifts they gave. We had an
entire show about a rather nasty paradox demon. I'm not going to spend the
time to look up the frigging name). I could be mistaken and I'm not saying
I not. I however am firmly in same school of thinking of as Cassandra on
this one.

Yes, addicts are neither blameless nor fun, but it is a condition that
engenders a certain amount of sympathy, which is better than the Psycho
Who Must Be Destroyed route I've been fearing.

No it takes being confrontational and mean to start with. Breaking the cycle
is next to impossible without getting very nasty. Tara is worried that
Willow is making use of magic just to use magic which seems to be the case.
She loves her but can tell Willow isn't on a very healthy path and hasn't
been for awhile. If you recall they got into a fight right before Glory
sucked out Tara's brain in Tough Love and she ran to the magic box and
started busting into the heavy hitter magic books as many as she could lay
her hands on. Willow doesn't give a rats backside what the magic does look
she gets her little spell fix the more powerful the better at this point

Hey, I like animals too, but it's not odd to hope that man might have
deeper emotions than a penguin. The concept of the soul as particular
to humanity is rooted in Western religion, and this show is drenched in
Christian allegories, plus everyone talks about souls in it, and the
single most important arc was about Angel losing his soul, so it's kind
of likely that souls ARE important in the Buffyverse. And just because
people go around talking about love without really knowing what it is
(hellooooo, Spikehey, I gotta bash), that doesn't mean it doesn't
exist.

The French language has about half a dozen words for differing kinds of
love. What I'm failing to grasp is why all of them must be linked to having
a soul as is your arguments. I love my cats but not the same way I love my
friends and family let alone romantic love. Same emotion differing degrees
and applications of it. I just used the same word in three very different
context in one sentence. As I said before I think Spike can feel love or at
least feel a very deep affectation for someone it seems calling it love is
the malfunction that makes you uncomfortable. As all of your arguments and
Spike bashing are centered around that love=soul. It's a word that has a
less than precise meaning in the English language period no ifs ands or
buts.

Hey, got through it without huffing and puffing. Calm is good.
Honestly.

Dan

Side note on Mad-Hamlet and actor changes: Also Mr. Trick was not
supposed to dust so soon, but K. Todd Freeman got a movie and so it
goes.

And Oz came back twice (don't forget the cameo in "Restless").


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