Re: [Re: FIC: Deeper-Post Season Six Fic(1/1)]

[Mad Hamlet <Mad-Hamlet@xxxxxxx>]

Greetings,

>>I, on the other hand, have mixed feelings about the fic.

Kay.

>>However, the action by The Ocean got somewhat confusing, 

Pity. Okay, little clarification. First off It's The Sea. Mythology is picky
that way. The Sea is known by two(Conflicting appropiatly enough) names. The
Starfilled Sea and The StarLESS Sea. Both have the same rules, only what is
True can be there. The 'Blobs' as you call them were souls. 
Names are lables we give ourselves, even 'true names' are lables on a surface
above the truth, so by The Sea, there are not even names. 

The Red Fire was Willow. The Blue Fire was Buffy. Tara had no part to play,
she is beyond. I wrote the story very vauge so if people WANTED Tara to be the
green fragment, fine, but in my mind she's gone. 

It is believed that if you love someone enough you give them a part of your
soul and they give you part of theirs. Should your loved one die however, they
cannot move on unless they are whole and what they gave you is TORN OUT from
you. Eventually what you gave them returns and, this happens quite often,
rejected. This is the final 'acceptance' of a loved ones being taken, and it's
very hard. 

So the green fragment was merely the part of Willow's soul given to Tara, the
rest of the fragments were the shareing of souls between Buffy and Willow. 

I'm sorry you had such a hard time with this. None of pre-readers had
problems, if they had I would have clarified it more. Somehow.

>>I'm just too linear for this sequence, I'm afraid.

Piffle.

>>I'm more concerned with the excuses the fic makes for Willow.

Facinating. Only...it doesn't make any excuses for Willow.

>>"dark magic circle" the bodies were in. 

Did I say 'Magic' circle or only circle? If I said Magic that was my error.No
a circle of the type Willow was making had no magic. It's like a sign, it's
using 'The Rules' of reality to her own benifet. There is no magic in making a
sacred place nor is there magic in entering the Astral, you just have to know
how. Willow was merely using her will and knowledge of 'How'.


>>Second, killing Warren is okay because he had it coming.

Nope, not quite. Killing Warrne wasn't 'okay' but it was something she could
live with. Hell, killing someone who killed my loved ones I could live with
easily. It would be living WITHOUT THE LOVED One that would have been hard,if
not impossible.

>>The general morality of the Buffyverse is that ensouled creatures have the
possibility to repent of their deeds and do good again, and therefore
shouldn't be killed.

This is my opinion only but sometimes that general morality works,
Angel...uh...who else...hmmm...Spike don't count. Anyhow what was done with
Warren was just excuse for a Hollywood type to preach his personal policital
agenda. If you watch the scene where Buffy gives Dawn that little speech I see
SMJ not even being halfway into it. But that's me. No, the arugments used in
BtVS on the issue of Warren were not to my satisfaction and that was a
weakness I exploited. 

>>That's why Buffyverse heroes don't kill humans, not because of what they
ARE, but because of what their soul gives them a chance to BE.

That's a point of view, to a degree that I can get behind. But no, the Rage
factor was just too strong and the lack of repentance was too great. Willow
should not be allowed to 'get away with it' but the punishment will be dealt
to herself, by her own hand far better than anyone else could.

>>What about Rack? He had a soul, what'd he do that was worth being drained
to a husk? 

I don't think he's dead. What did Willow do to deserve losing Tara? 

Same answer.

>>Fourth, the excuse that trying to end the world is no big deal because
of all the "pain" Willow felt.

The issue was confronted and Willow did feel bad about that but she stuck to
her feelings. Hell, I have a wife, and a newborn daughter and there are times
I MYSELF am not so sure that setting this world alight wouldn't be such a bad
idea.

Buffy and her allegedly-bloody hands to provide the anti-murder counterpoint?


Yeah, intresting that. Don't forget to take into account the ten knights of
Byzantium she murdered. Including Mr. Axe to the Chest.


>>C. Buffy didn't do a damn thing wrong in "Graduation Day". Her moral
reputation is the victim of two pieces of hype.

See this is the whole break down. 'Wrong'? What's that? I don't see anything
wrong in hunting down Warren, hell, I was cheering her on. Wrong would have
been going after the other two. Heck, she did Warren in TOO FAST for my
liking.

>>As it turns out, Angel can be cured by merely having a nice, non-fatal drink
of Buffy. 

Maybe I'm missing something but you're basically proving my case. That being
Buffy is a hypocrite for judging Willow's desire to avenge Tara when she
herself did the exact same thing and did her darn best to kill Faith.

>>she hasn't she's done you a good deal less damage than you do to yourselfby
taking a backwards header from a fifty-foot height onto the metal bed of a
moving truck. 

It could be argued that she figured she was dead and had nothing left to lose
in a possibly suicdial escape attempt.

>>Cordelia got skewered in "Lovers Walk", and even
without Slayer-strength came through just fine. 

And do you have any idea how FICTIONAL that was? The spear nailed her right
through her liver, she would have been dead in fifteen minutes and HAD she
been in a hospital she would have been going to the bathroom in little baggies
for the rest of her life.


>>So maybe Buffy thought for a moment, "if worst comes to worst, I'll let
Angel kill Faith to live" which, as you address, isn't a revenge
killing, it's merely Buffy only being able to save one life out of the
two and choosing Angel over Faith. 

Yet by your own argument she has either... judged and found guilty or, even
WORSE pulled a Pontious Pilate and, even though being in a position to fix
both, walks away.

>>Buffy might not actually have been able to feed Faith to Angel, had she
gotten the opportunity. 

You're reaching Dan. She had motive, means and she did her best. If Faith
hadn't taken that header Buffy would have been standing over her corpse with a
scapel and a coffee mug.

She had made the decision to kill, just like Willow did and Buffy did her best
to follow through on that decesion even though an alternative was there the
entire time. The only difference was Willow was more successful at enforcing
her descision. 

>>I just don't buy the reasoning. Sorry.

That's okay, most of it is POV stuff and we, being humans and not gods, have a
tendacy to make judgements based on intellect that is shaded and altered by
lots of factors we have no control over. Also prefrences.

Well, that was a heck of a bit of feedback. Thanks!

I remain, as always,
Mad-Hamlet





W.B. Yeats: What rough beast, its hour come at last, slouches toward Bethlehem
to be born?

Mad-Hamlet: Me.