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Dan-
Very sorry about being a bad list citizen and forgetting the spoiler space. I intended to do it, then forgot. 

and it's not really spoilers I'm alluding to, nor do i have any kind of inside info, and yes, we've all sat through stuff we didn't understand and in some cases didn't want to see. and last week when the Spike saves the day spoilers came out, I went straight to defcon 4.

but i'm respectfully disagreeing with you re the rest of the season not being worth watching. Your mileage obviously varies, and I agree with you about a lot of stuff, but I'm more excited about this show than I have been in a long time. 



--- In buffywantswillow@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, danspector@w... wrote:
> Sorry this is in attachment form, but Yahell sucks. (Who knew your
> account could be "bouncing" while you're still getting emails from your
> groups even as they're not letting you post because you're supposedly
> NOT getting emails from groups? Literally, it was simultaneous.
> Morons.)
> 
> Anyway, my reply to bhv is below.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> bhv,
> 
> First, if you're alluding to spoilers, don't allude to spoilers. Put in
> the SPOILER SPACE and then be as open or as vague as you want to be.
> I'm unspoiled and, if I had any interest in what's going to happen, I'd
> probably be a little ticked at the coy hints.
> 
> Second, much as I'd like to believe that this is all some complex plot,
> right now I wouldn't credit Joss with the skill to guide his belt
> through the loops on his pants, much less finely-detailed subterfuge.
> May I remind you that in each of Seasons 3-6, ME has admitted that they
> were basically making up the ending as they went along? They didn't
> know what the "Ascension" they'd been talking about would entail as late
> as "Earshot", according to Jane Espenson. David Fury had to come up
> with all the details of Adam's plan, etc, by himself in "Primeval".
> They hadn't figured out who Glory was or what she wanted, according to
> Marti Noxon, which is why we ended up with the massive exposition dump
> that is "Spiral", and even after that, Joss had to pull stuff like "Olaf
> the troll God" (wtf?) and "the monks made her out of me" (WTF?) out of
> his butt so that he could have a "logical" basis for what "The Gift" was
> about, Buffy committing suicide.
> 
> And then there's last year, where Giles comes up with a clever plan to
> have Xander save the world?and *doesn't tell Xander*. If Xander had
> decided not to run after Willow and instead get Buffy out of that hole
> (since she's his friend, and in danger, and might actually be useful,
> being **The Slayer** and all, you know...), Willow would have
> crispy-fried the planet. And I won't get into the rest of "Grave",
> which looks like Fury wrote it on the back of a cocktail napkin in 10
> minutes, while drunk.
> 
> No, I'm pretty sure this isn't all part of some super-complex plot.
> "Babylon 5" is cancelled, and Joss was never as into this sort of thing,
> anyway.
> 
> Third, even if I'm entirely wrong about what's coming, that doesn't
> excuse what's been. The show has an obligation to keep me interested if
> they want me to keep watching. Making me sit through 18 episodes of
> "Spike the Noble Rapist and Mass Murderer and the Dumb Bitch Who Should
> Just Be Glad He Likes Her" isn't it, especially where the episodes
> themselves, horrible characterizations and complete ignoring of anyone
> who isn't named Buffy or Spike aside, have just plain sucked.
> 
> I don't care if Joss has something brilliant left. If he's really that
> good, then he should have shown it before now.
> 
> Dan
> 
> PS?not only are we unlikely to get anything more for B/W than a
> friendship moment (you know, the stuff we used to get a half-dozen times
> an episode), even if we were to get some subtext, it's gonna be B/F or
> W/F, you know that. They didn't bring Eliza back just to have Faith go
> get the donuts, I'd bet.
> 
> Hardly worth sitting through the scene where Buffy breaks down and
> admits she loves Spike, she's always loved Spike, and he's too good for
> her, to my mind. (No, I'm unspoiled, but you know that's coming. The
> only question is whether they'll have Boreanaz do a crossover so that
> Buffy can reject Angel for the one, true, love of her life.)