Re: Season Six

["ebailey140" <ebailey140@xxxxxxx>]

--- In buffywantswillow@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Patrick Sanders 
<rsand21266@y...> wrote:
> > Well, if depressing, 
>  
> Well what's wrong with that?  Better a genuinely Unhappy Ending 
than a phony Happy Ending.
>  
> >There were three major plot 
> > danglers that had been running for years still needing to be 
> > resolved:  The Hellmouth, the First Evil, and the Slayer origin 
> > story, all of which ended up tying together in Season 7.  These 
> were 
>  
> I could have gone without those particular plot points "resolved". 
The Hellmouth (closing the Hellmouth means destroying Sunnydale 
which is no real victory) the First (we find out that the Source of 
All Evil is a incompetent blowhard who poses no real menace to 
anyone, Angelus in S2 was a better incarnation of Pure Evil) and the 
Slayer origin, which in my mind is better left untold. 

OK, so you wanted the story begun in WttH to go unfinished, with 
everything set up and built over the years to go unresolved.  What 
was of most importance to you was killing Buffy, period.  Fine.  
But, I'm glad you didn't get what you wanted. 

As for the First not being a real threat, I think the Watchers 
Council, who knows how many Potentials, Jonathon, and Anya would 
argue that.  Or, they would if they weren't dead, and all.  And, the 
implication was that the First had a direct hand in EVERYTHING that 
happened to Buffy since Prophesy Girl, which is quite the body 
count.  And, when you have both the Powers That Be AND Wolfram & 
Hart literally moving Heaven and Earth to inconvenience you, you're 
probably considered a bit of a problem.  

As for Sunnydale, the place was literally built for the sole purpose 
of giving the demons hanging around the Hellmouth tasty humans to 
feed on.  It's entire existance was built around the Hellmouth.  
Close the Hellmouth, and Sunnydale has no reason to exist.  And what 
does it matter that Sunnydale is gone, since we were never going to 
see it again once the series ended, anyway?  

Sorry, but I can't see Willow, Tara, Dawn, etc, not being raped and 
dismembered by a gang of biker demons as a BAD thing.       
>  
> > things Buffy had to deal with before her journey was done.  And 
> > (though I guess you disagree), I LIKED that Buffy and her 
methods 
> > outlasted, and overcame, those of Travers and the old Watchers 
> > Council.  
>  
> I'm with Dan here. I saw it as Buffy forsaking her responsibility 
to thousands upon thousands of innocents.  And nothing in the series 
justifies her doing that.  

She didn't create the Slayers, all those millenia ago.  She didn't 
create this species of human/demon hybrids.  She was the created, 
here.  All she did was take the stolen authority from the Traverses 
of the world, and give the choices to those who's power it actually, 
rightfully, is.  Where was she forsaking her responsibilities, 
here?  To whom?  If you mean Humanity, surely Humanity would have to 
be considered in a better position to be defended against the forces 
of darkness than they were, before?  If even only a few hundred of 
these girls ("Hundreds, possibly thousands" being Wesley's 
estimation of how many there are out there)choose to take up the 
fight, that's a few hundred more places the Slayer will be able to 
protect. 

And, if you think Buffy is being unfair to the poor vamps and demons 
by making the odds a little more even instead of the overwhelming 
advantage given to the bad guys, before, don't you have to bash 
Willow, too?  Who performed the spell?  

But, I'm not hostile to Buffy and Willow, or wish horrible death 
upon them.  I'm especially fond of those two.  They're my favorite 
characters in the whole mythos, along with the cleavagey slutbomb.   
>  
> > I disagree.  Forgiveness is something you can be given, but 
> > redemption you have to work for.  Angel wasn't redeemed in 
Amends, 
> > just shown that he CAN be redeemed, if he works for it.  That's 
what 
> > he's been doing ever since.  Willow was forgiven in Same Time 
Same 
> > Place, but didn't achieve redemption until Chosen (Granted, with 
a 
> > visual that was a bit heavy handed, but got the point across).
>  
> Well, we disagree.  I'm coming from a Roman Catholic background, 
so that filters my views on the Big Issues.

Hey, got the Catholic background, too.  Nevertheless, forgiveness 
and redemption are two different things.  

E



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