Re: OT Election

["Kimber" <kimbertvs@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

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From: "vickysmith2368" <vicky2368@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <buffywantswillow@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: OT Election (thread stops here)


> Respectfully Kimber I have to disagree.  And while I'll doubt this
> post sees the list because of  the fact that, as requested by Dan, I
> rewrote my first post and you had your say (including calling me a
> lier) I doubt very much I will get to answer you.

Respectfully, I'll do the same.  Had I called you a liar, I would have said, 
"Vicki, you are lying."  But also, I would have demonstrated it six ways to 
Sunday.  Possibly with diagrams and outlines and scientific methods.  Graphs 
may have been included too!  Point being, I don't call people liars.  There 
is simply a difference of opinion on the laws and the applications of them. 
In other words:  Politics.  Go figure.  You want a voice?  You've got it, 
here you go - all yours on a silver platter.  Mayhaps its not a fair thing 
to end a thread without a rebuttal.  As I stated in my original email, all 
moderated posts go through Dan or Quin.  I was unaware of the situation 
until I woke up yesterday morning and found your email calling me a 
hypocrite, sitting in my inbox.

> Lets take one Issue at a time: Ivy's mentor -- was advised by her
> attorney to pull the plug on Ivy's writing.  Since I used her example
> without her permission I ask that you contact her.  The reasons stated
> were --in 1994 the state, in which Ivy lives (I will tell you offline)
> passed the law that made it legal to deny housing, medical treatment,
> and to terminate employment, of anyone who promotes or engages in
> homosexual activity.  In 2002 the state passed bill that all state
> laws should be enforced including crimes against nature and the just
> mentioned bill.

Had you phrased it that way, with FACTS and citing laws, I would have been 
less likely to question the validity of the situation.  I was speaking 
factually, while your statement was laced with compassion and empathy and 
concern.  I don't mean to come off as a cold hearted bitch, but I do have a 
tendancy to approach things logically and with as unbiased an eye as I can 
give it.  We've all made 'mountains out of molehills' and while I don't mean 
to reduce the fear Ivy may have in reprocussions, most laws are clearcut and 
accessable via your state governments website and one need only look it up 
or consult a lawyer on rights.  Again as far as I know, if Ivy is of legal 
adult age in her state, her actions are her own and her mentor cannot be 
held responsible for them if they violate the law.  This is saying as much 
that a teacher or even friend that is older than her can be arrested for 
encouraging her to write.  Just doesn't sound right to me.  There are ages 
of consent and adulthood in states for a reason.

> The next issue, my son is Iraq, in the marines,  I was quoting him
> about the food, the bodyarmor, the spare parts, and the armored Humvees.

Quoting your son is a much different thing than voicing an opinion on the 
pentagons ability or inability to give adequate provisions to the troops. 
My girlfriends brother-in-law returned from Bagdad last year.  His statement 
on things over there were that while provisions were minimal, there was 
still enough to go around.  Enough, that is, defined of course by the 
government.  Having the humvees outfitied with RINOpacs in April and updated 
armor for the troops handed out in June doesn't detract from the fact that 
this war was declaired 'mission accomplished' in April 2003 by the tot 
dictator, Chimpy McFlightsuit nor the fact that I'm speaking about April and 
June of 2004 a full year after the so called victory.

> The next issue, I don't know why the disentrancement wasn't on the
> news nor why the Democrat's didn't react to it.  Would you like the
> reference number the Democratic Voter's Hotline gave me and maybe you
> can find out.  My personal opinion was the precinct was to small and
> out of the way for them care.

I too am from a small precinct.  The poll watchers were out in force and our 
town was told in advance to be prepared to be challenged on your voting 
status and right to do it.  Walking into the building, there is a 4ft by 6ft 
sign declaring, "Be prepared to show 2 forms of identification.  First time 
voters are REQUIRED to identify themselves by law."  This being the sad 
state of things because there have been so many dirty tricks regarding 
registration (mentally ill adults were promised ice cream if they registered 
as republicans and voted for Bush.  San Antonio, Texas.  Story is here: 
http://www.ksat.com/news/3882959/detail.html) Also, because of ballot 
stuffing in the past, this is just a precautionary measure.  Sins of the 
father and all that jazz.  Few morons have to go and ruin it for everyone.

> Now as for calling the list "gay" please accept my humble apology!
> When I was growing up in the darkages a list whose fiction was devoted
> to two women being love would have been called gay.  I guess I'm just
> not up with the times.

No need to apologize.  My statement was a blanket one as most of them 
usually are.  I speak as a moderator 98% of the time and while it may have 
seemed that I was repremanding you or correcting you, I was just trying to 
clear things up for the other 1200 or so list members out there.  Last I 
looked of course, Mad Hamlet and Kirayoshi are honorary lesbians regardless 
of their socially defined and politically acceptable 'heterosexual male' 
status.

To correct myself, after recieving an email from Dan privately and looking 
into the archives myself - I've discovered that Tony McD was a right wing 
conservative and an aussie (msg# 27530).  My apologies for the mistaken 
assumption on my part.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled fanfic.

~~Kimber 




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