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Hi Im Sendind this to mutiple lists Because the
original poster says EVERYTHING I wish I had the skill with words to say about
this Ep. I Hope Becky wont mind. :) My apologize to any who recieve multiple
copies of this.
James
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From: Becky
Bryant
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 11:47 PM
Subject: Re: [buffydiscussion] New Buffy- Empty places? episode was painful. It just hurt to watch. Luckily my husband watched it while I was at classs, and decided to warn me lest I kick the t.v. over in my rage while watching it. The warning helped. Roughly in order of appearance. Totally didn't get what was going on with the policeman. I thought Willow was doing some mindwashing magic, but later it seemed like maybe it was just the hellmouth. Hospital scene. Sad. Willow being all sympathetic. Buffy trying to be helpful and in control. Reminded me of whenher mom was sick. She was the one talking to the doctor and kinda gettting things in order. She didn't stay to play cards (would Willow and Xander supported her in the end if she had spent quality time with him?). Now I think she was in the right as I beleive she truly felt like she needed to be working on the Caleb angle. It would have sucked if she had left just because she didn't like hospitals, but that was not the sense I had. O.K., I think I am going to get a lot of opposition on this. I get that Xander is sad, it sucks to lose your eye. But, he did sign on for this. He had a choice. Buffy told him for years to stay out of the fight, and he kept saying he wanted in. That he was willing to risk his life. He finally convinced Buffy, she uses him and he gets hurt. That is really sad, but they are suppose to be all facing almost certain death. I don't get them making such a big deal about it. Basement scene was pretty funny. I so hate Rhona. Faith. Still the rebel. In that way she has not matured. She may have come with the intention of helping Buffy, and be determined not to fight with her. But she certainly undermined Buffy's authority. She did not have the authority to take those girls to the Bronze. What if Buffy had needed them? ANd lettingthem get drunk is just stupid. They maybe PS's but they are still young girls. Also facing policemen with guns is dangerous. But more importantly it is just a bad situation. If a policeman gets hurt or killed it is bad, because they are just innocents trying to do their job crazed by the hellmouth. If the girls get shot, they die. And their is no point. Violence should serve the purpose of killing bad guys, gathering information, somehow helping the fight against evil. This was just because Faith was stupid. Why didn't Buffy bring this up? Instead she just hit Faith. Bad decision. But I actually find it more reasonable than FAiths actions. Last time Faith was in town she compeletly violated Buffy and her boyfriend. Faith turns back up supposedly with new objectives. But, my goodeness. Max made the point that Faith violated Buffy more than Spike ever did. And FAith had her soul while she did. She may have really good intentions now, but part of turning over a new leaf has to be facing up to your past. She has to walk on egg shells around Buffy to say the least. If she was a male who had raped Buffy and tied up her mom and threanted to kill her (not to mention actually killing some people) would we expect Buffy just to welcome him and be at ease? I guess my point is that while Faith is improved, and seems to be trying to fight for good now and that seems to involve not hitting Buffy or openly challenging her, she is clearly not willing to face up to her past. And she subtly undermined Buffy's authority. Spike/Andrew. I get Giles sending them out, that seemed more like old Giles. When did he get helpful again? I also think Buffy was justified. Why should she trust him? The only other plans he has had this year seems to be to shovle all the responsiblity onto Buffy and then to try to get rid of Spike. Again Andrew was the only pleasant thing about this episode, but I was too upset to enjoy it. "It is not for you, ONly she can wield it". Does this refer to Buffy? Wield what? Isthis why the First wants Buffy alive? Speaking of Caleb and the first, what was their evil little plan? What were they "pushing her" towards? Either the School and seal and Buffy was right, or the Vinyard and Buffy was wrong. Here is my take on that. I think they were tricking Buffy into taking the girls back to the vineyard. Yet I also think Buffy was right to try. They are facing almost certain defeat, they have almost no leads on how to defeat the First, but here is one idea. It may be a trap. It is a long shot. So, should they run andhide and wait for the end of the world? unfortunelaley they don't have the option to play it safe. You know, I think they were all prettysure they were going to die facing Glory too, yet they didn't go and hide. Buffy said she was willing to discuss strategy, not just run in there again. O.K. Last scene. First of all, Faith again subtly undermines Buffy's authority with Wood. I am not saying she is doing it on purepos, but she is certainly not helping the situation. She feels sorry for herself, again not willing to face up to her past. Unfortunatley, while we can start over in life, we are not give a blank slate. I give her credit for demuring about being a leader. She was certainly not the worst. Wood clearly is being vindictive. Maybe we can't blame him, but he is not a person I would want to count on in a crunch. Xander, again all feeling put upon. His comments and tone led me to beleive he blames Buffy for sending him into the vinyard. I guess he was just kidding all those times he said he was willing to risk his life to help with the fight. Willow, I just don't quite get where she was coming from. It wasn't really explained. I couldn't tell if she was upset Buffy hadn't played cards with Xander, or had reasoning behind her beleif that Buffy was not making good descions. Dawn. I totally don't get. She clearly thought Buffy was wrong, and it seemed to be a painful desicion. (However, children don't usually get to kick the adult who pays the bills out of the house, that "its my house too" was just stupid, if they are going to oust Buffy from leadership, why don't they go get a job and find a place to rent?). But Buffy has always won. She has saved each of their lives. Last mission got sticky. It sucked. They all knew it was dangerous, Buffy knew it might have been a trap, and they got hurt. That is hard. But how does that make it wrong? Its taking a risk. They seem unwilling to do that, and they can't win that way. Giles . . . once again I don't even no what to say, but the fact that he would support her, after forcing her into the role (when he arrived it was clearly not with the attitude "we will facethis together" it was "your the leader, you figure it out). is still somehow not surprising after this season. Actually makes me think . . . he sent Spike to find that message. Maybe the First wants Buffy to get that message. Cause I sure can't imagine Giles actually helping Buffy. Anya, of course, was the worst. Buffy hasn't earned being their leader?! NO, Buffy has spent 7 years fighting evil almost daily, saving their lives, and not misuing her powers. She has earned every inch of it. Faith is the one that has not "earned" anything in Sunnydale. She is a SLayer and thats about it. Is their no loyalty? NO rememberence? I know Faith is working towards rehab or redemption or whatever, but her history with those people is one of bad descions. And for the mostpart Buffy has made good, self sacrafical decisions. She has never been corrupted the way Faith, Willow, Anya, and Giles (apparently in his youth) were. And all that garabage about Buffy being the lucky one? It was just so ridiculous. Especially after the last 2 seasons. In high school the scoobies didn't see Buffy's sacrafices as much. She seemed to be the cool one that was always skipping school to save the world. They didn't get it. But they saw her die. The saw her muddle in misery when they brought her back, and they have seen her strain and pressure this year. It was just an insane thing to say. I know Anya has always been jealous of Buffy's place in Xander's life, but this seemed too off. And whenwill Rhona die? My husband thinks they are under a spell. And while it did feel out of character, I don't think it is a spell. As it is, Buffy should (but won't) shake the dust off her heels and move on. Unfortunatley, she doen't have the option of just letting the world end. This episode was painful to watch, and yet it was kinda boring too. NOt alot of interaction with bad guys. I can't imagine I would ever rewatch it on reruns. What is going on with the writing? Why are they ruining BtVS with so few episodes left? Even if they make a big comeback and every body apologizes to Buffy in a tearful scene during the last episode, it still stinks that some of the last episodes are stinking so bad. It leads me to beleive the rumors about a spinoff are true. But would Eliza Dukshu do it? In any case I am just so dissapointed. Becky __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Buffy: It's weird. You look at something and you think you know exactly what you're seeing, and then you find out it's something else entirely. Willow: Neat, huh? +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ For List help contact Max (maxvl@xxxxxxxxxxx) BuffyDiscussion List Abbreviations: FOCF = Falling Off the Couch Funny FOCL = FallingOff the Couch Laughing Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |