Re: Re: CA Moore: OT: Spike, Freud and Vampires

[Alnisa Allgood <allgood2@xxxxxxxx>]

At 12:27 AM -0800 10/31/01, danspector@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> (Spike cannot love because he has no soul and the soul is where love
> comes from. The Guide [in the form of the Primal Slayer] tells Buffy in
> "Intervention" that "you love with all your soul". That's why lovers are
> called soulmates--no soul, no love.)

While, I disagree with most of your post, I thought I'd specifically 
comment on this. In the Universe of Joss, we have been introduces to 
the fact that demons can be good, and the fact that you don't need a 
soul to love. The Judge who's parts were combined, by Spike and 
Drusilla, indicates that love, compassion, and intelligence can 
produce the trappings of humanity in a demon spirit. He judges Spike 
to reek of human love, and kills the vampire with a love of books.

Also a very big oops, is assuming that just because one loves that 
that individual is your soul mate. Lovers are called lovers period. 
Soulmates, historically, are a different entity. Only recent 
bastardization of the term to incorporate all lovers based on 
fanciful illusion allows any lover to be consider a soulmate.

Spike is a vampire. He acknowledges it, as well as others. But even 
Wesley, Giles, and others have acknowledged his ability to love. So 
while it maybe the exception, it doesn't mean it can't occur.

Besides with Spike Joss sets up an entirely different parameter than 
with Angel. With Angel, Joss explored what it would be like to be a 
soulless demon, who has created horrible atrocities, then have your 
soul return. How do you live and atone for what you've done.

With Spike, every since his introduction Joss has ventured into the 
exploration of what is it like to be vampire that loves. Spike isn't 
torment by his pass, well at least not the murder and mayhem 
committed. His torture has always been that as demon or man, he wants 
someone to love him fully. The need for love plagues his soulless 
carcass, and the exploration is how bad or how good will he become to 
fulfill that need.

Alnisa
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