Re: Re: ::BuffyLovesWillow:: OT: Tempting fate, Willow

[Kris <krismpy@xxxxxxxxx>]

--- danspector@xxxxxxxxx wrote:

> This topic can get spoilerific, so there'll be
> some space,...
> 
> (actually, I wonder how necessary this is. I
> mean, who has read this
> far without knowing which plots I refer to and
> which characters are
> involved in them? Oh, well, it's better to err
> on
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> ?like so.)
> 
> As to whether Spike can love in his (stated)
> soulless condition, both
> arguments have been advanced on-air. Spike
> said he loved Dru ("Lovers
> Walk"), the Judge said otherwise ("Surprise"
> and spared them for it).
> And when Buffy quests to discover if she is
> capable of love
> ("Intervention") the Guide casts its
> affirmative answer in terms of
> Buffy's soul ("you love with all your soul"). 
> I tend to believe the
> more powerful beings, since they have wider
> experience and are dedicated
> to the purpose of revealing truths, whereas
> Spike himself would admit to
> a self-serving nature.
> 
> As for my personal opinions extrapolated from
> this theory, I think that
> questing for love without having the ability to
> truly know it makes
> Spike a tragic figure and could also be an
> interpretation of the title
> of his origin ep, "Fool For Love".
> 
> As for my wish to how this question will be
> answered (yes, I'm trying
> overly hard to define my statements, to
> separate argument from opinion
> from preference, just so I don't accidentally
> offend), let me say again
> that a Spike who can know love without a soul
> is unfair to and
> possibility in contradiction with an Angel who
> suffers despite one.
> 
> In a guess, I'd say this could actually be a
> theme of the B/S arc (I
> know it's a cheap shot, but I think those
> initials neatly describe the
> idea of such a romance working). Can Spike
> really love? My guess is
> that when (yes, WHEN) Buffy dumps him, we might
> get an exchange like
> this:
> 
> S: Buffy, please! I love you!
> B (coldly but sadly): You don't know what love
> is.
> 


I cut out a lot of Dan's post that I didn't think
was relevant to what I'm going to throw out, but
another thought concerning Spike occured to me
while watching Becoming-pt. 1 last night. Could
Spike be obsessed with Buffy because he's jealous
of Angel? 

As a side note, I've never seen any of season 3,
so I only know bits and pieces from what I've
read about it, and therefore may be way off base
depending upon what happens in Becoming-pt. 2 and
the rest of season 3. Anyway, in the first part
of Becoming, it almost seems like Spike could be
a little jealous of Angel, bad Angel that is, and
Dru. Angel and Dru did share a lot of warm
fuzzies (in a sadistic, vampiric way of course)
right in front of Spike. Or maybe it's kinda
like a child wanting to one-up their parents
(again in a weird, twisted, undead way). Angel
is, after all, Spike's sire. 

I'm not saying jealousy of Angel is THE
motivating factor in his obsession with Buffy. 
Maybe it could even be a subconscious thing with
Spike. Again, I'm not up on the Spike/Angel
history or background, but maybe jealousy factors
in a little somewhere, along with any number of
other factors we've all touched on.

Just tossing out thoughts.

Kris 


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