Re: OT: Seeing Red Comments Counterpoint [SPOILER]

["gussihoo" <mattiesilver@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

--- In buffywantswillow@y..., "blinviz" <debvii@y...> wrote:
> --- In buffywantswillow@y..., "gussihoo" <mattiesilver@h...> wrote:
> 
> > > Since not everyone has seen the episode yet...
> 
> here comes the sun, doo doo doo doo
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> 
> > As for Dawn...she's going through a tough time. She is not of 
> > this world, her mother has recently died, nobody pays her 
attention, 
> > everyone is so wrapped up in their own stuff that they don't see 
what 
> > she is up to..and she is a teenager! Could it GET any worse for 
the 
> > poor thing? She goes to Spike because he is someone who paid her 
> > attention, and looked out for her. I don't think Dawn supports 
him 
> > having a relationship with Buffy, but, she doesn't want to lose 
yet 
> > another part of her support system...
> 
> I hear what you're saying, but sorry, ME dropped the ball on Spike 
& 
> Dawn. When was the last time Dawn saw Spike? Older & Far Away. 
How 
> many lines did they exchange? My memory is ZERO, but I'm willing 
to 
> concede there might have been 1. Oh, wait, there was Hell's Bells 
-- 
> in which their conversation had nothing to do with Spike as Dawn's 
pal 
> and only to do with Dawn as the member of the wedding party who 
could 
> relay news back to Buffy. Before Older, I can't recall a single 
scene 
> between Dawn & Spike post-Smashed -- and I think that's being 
generous. 
> Heck, even the more clear-thinking Spuffys and Redemptionistas 
realised 
> they kinda needed to drop the Dawn element from their arguments 
after a 
> while because it just wasn't happening.
> 
> So, yeah, in THEORY, loss of Spike is yet another loss, but unlike 
the 
> Dawn-Riley sitch wherein Dawn's hurt made sense because Riley had 
been 
> gone from the show, the Dawn-Spike thing felt forced because Spike 
has 
> been here the whole damn time [sigh] yet you'd be hard pressed to 
build 
> a case from recent eps that the two were pals. Frankly, it made 
sense 
> to me that Spike was never around with Dawn (he's got Buffy, he 
doesn't 
> need to do the White Knight routine anymore) and while on the one 
hand 
> I think DeKnight (ME) took the prudent route by acting as if they'd 
> been buds all season long, on the other hand it rang false. If 
nothing 
> else, it doesn't make a lot of sense for Dawn to whine about Buffy 
> neglecting her and never being around while not lobbing the same 
> criticism at Spike.


..........True enough.. :) I get what yer sayin'..and it makes 
perfect sense. But, since the show isn't making a whole lot of sense 
anymore..*grin* Who knows what goes on in a teenage mind..not to 
mention a teenage mind written by Joss or Marti Noxin.
Why do you think Dawn went to Spike then? (I'm not 
being snarky..just genuinely interested :) When Dawnie was asking 
Buffy if Spike was going to be around, and Buffy said no..Dawnie 
seemed very crestfallen...