Re: OT: Seeing Red Comments Counterpoint [SPOILER]

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--- In buffywantswillow@y..., "gussihoo" <mattiesilver@h...> wrote:

> > Since not everyone has seen the episode yet...

here comes the sun, doo doo doo doo

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> As for Dawn...she's going through a tough time. She is not of 
> this world, her mother has recently died, nobody pays her attention, 
> everyone is so wrapped up in their own stuff that they don't see what 
> she is up to..and she is a teenager! Could it GET any worse for the 
> poor thing? She goes to Spike because he is someone who paid her 
> attention, and looked out for her. I don't think Dawn supports him 
> having a relationship with Buffy, but, she doesn't want to lose yet 
> another part of her support system...

I hear what you're saying, but sorry, ME dropped the ball on Spike & 
Dawn. When was the last time Dawn saw Spike? Older & Far Away. How 
many lines did they exchange? My memory is ZERO, but I'm willing to 
concede there might have been 1. Oh, wait, there was Hell's Bells -- 
in which their conversation had nothing to do with Spike as Dawn's pal 
and only to do with Dawn as the member of the wedding party who could 
relay news back to Buffy. Before Older, I can't recall a single scene 
between Dawn & Spike post-Smashed -- and I think that's being generous. 
Heck, even the more clear-thinking Spuffys and Redemptionistas realised 
they kinda needed to drop the Dawn element from their arguments after a 
while because it just wasn't happening.

So, yeah, in THEORY, loss of Spike is yet another loss, but unlike the 
Dawn-Riley sitch wherein Dawn's hurt made sense because Riley had been 
gone from the show, the Dawn-Spike thing felt forced because Spike has 
been here the whole damn time [sigh] yet you'd be hard pressed to build 
a case from recent eps that the two were pals. Frankly, it made sense 
to me that Spike was never around with Dawn (he's got Buffy, he doesn't 
need to do the White Knight routine anymore) and while on the one hand 
I think DeKnight (ME) took the prudent route by acting as if they'd 
been buds all season long, on the other hand it rang false. If nothing 
else, it doesn't make a lot of sense for Dawn to whine about Buffy 
neglecting her and never being around while not lobbing the same 
criticism at Spike.