Re: Joss has NO point (re: Tara's death, Joss's excuse, and gullibility)

["ebailey140" <ebailey140@xxxxxxx>]

--- In buffywantswillow@y..., danspector@w... wrote:
> Yeah, **I'm** hyperbolic, sure.
> 
> And if you don't know why gay and gay-friendly viewers might find 
the
> unequal and stereotypical treatment of ALL the gay characters and 
ONLY
> the gay characters on the show unpleasant, then you didn't read or
> comprehend the initial post. Because whatever that post lacked, it
> wasn't detail.

I don't think the "unequal" and "stereotypical" treatment you say is 
there is there, at all. 
> 
> And I never said my opinion of Joss meant that he was in fact those
> things. It is my opinion. 

Quite a bit of personal attack in your "opinion".

> Which I was clarifying, because in your
> previous screed you had vilified me for saying Joss was 
homophobic. And
> in objecting to your decision to attack me for saying things I 
didn't
> say, I decided to restate what I was, in fact, saying.
> 
> Naturally, you couldn't be bothered to apologize for 
misrepresenting my
> previous statements and moved right along to attacking my latest
> statements. 

Pot. Kettle. Black.

You launch personal attack after personal attack on various people 
for the crime of having a different opinion than yours, far worse 
than someone thinking you're implying something you say you weren't. 

> Because apparently it's wrong for me to have negative
> opinions of Joss Whedon. 
> That I also disagree with.

You can have a negative opinion without the personal attacks. 

Look at it this way. You're greatly offended because I thought you 
were implying something you say you weren't. Now, suppose I had done 
as YOU did in the post I was responding to, accusing you of 
being "blind in your implications"? I didn't do that, nor did I call 
you "sadly mealy-mouthed", "insensitive", "lacking in 
character", "immature", or accuse you of trying to "weasel his way 
out of it" when you clarified, just because I disagreed with your 
viewpoint. You did ALL of that, and more. 

Do you really think that's less offensive? 

If you're going to treat anyone and everyone who has a different 
viewpoint than yours with absolute contempt for doing so, you really 
don't have room to demand apologies when someone simply 
misunderstands you due to the insulting terminology you use. You 
decided to attack me for no other reason than I find Spike to be a 
very complex, interesting, character, and see the B/S shippers POV. 
Hell, I even understand the Spike/Willow, Buffy/Giles, and 
Willow/Giles crowds. I needed to, because of that Unconventional 
Shipping series a couple of years back. Still don't get 
Angel/Xander, though... 

BTW, understanding the appeal of B/S doesn't automatically make one 
a "Spuffy", as you call it. I do admit to being a "Fuffy", though, 
having loved the Buffy/Faith subtext. That's what led me to thinking 
there was tons of potential and subtext in the relationship between 
Buffy and Willow, in fact. 

Of course, I'm also willing to admit that the Buffy/Willow subtext I 
saw may not have been intentional, and that I may have just wildly 
misinterpreted things. Therefore, I'm not offended that the show 
doesn't seem to be leading, ultimately, to it, at least right now. 
Or, maybe THAT was the real reason Tara had to go (I'm surprised no 
one seems to have considered that).

E