Re: Re: Flaying

[Tater <tater@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

At 01:15 AM 2/20/2004 -0800, you wrote:
> I'm somewhat disheartened to see such unanimous backing for what was
> pretty clearly an immense violation of the moral code of the Buffyverse.
> (Indeed, one which I was appalled at, because it contradicted previous
> characterization of Willow as someone who doesn't do evil things out of
> petty revenge motivessee "Consequences", or "Wild at Heart".)
>
> Vengeance killing is wrongit's not justice, it's murder for one's own
> emotional satisfaction.  I think Buffy explained the emotional reasons
> why it was off-kilter quite neatly in "Villains", and as a practical
> matter, the Scoobs had an iron-clad case against Warren (who has no
> superpowers or magical skills to escape jail), what with the forensics
> on the bullets that Willow was waving around and not one but two
> eye-witnesses in Buffy and Xander.  There is absolutely no
> justification, IMO, for Willow torturing and slaughtering a defenseless,
> captive, most-likely-bound-for-Death Row human simply because it made
> her feel better.
>
> Or would you all applaud if Warren's mother (seen to be alive, living in
> Sunnydale, and not at all evil in "Flooded") were to torture and butcher
> Willow in retribution for what Will did to the son Mrs. Meers presumably
> loved and mourned?  Heck, by the "revenge is okay" argument, she's
> *more* justified than Willow is.  Warren killed Tara out of a reckless
> disregard for the consequences of firing random gunshots while fleeing
> in panicWillow killed Warren slowly and painfully with malice
> aforethought.
>
> Go, Mama Meers, go!  (No, don't.  And Willow shouldn't have, either.)
>
> Dan


Neither killing happened in a vaccum.  Willow killed under extreme
provocation.  Most human beings can be pushed to a breaking point.  Willow's
was probably lower than it should have been because of her problems with
magic, but she was still pushed.  

Warren was a sociopath.  He used, abused, and murdered people purely out of
a complete indifference to the rights, feelings and lives of others.  All he
cared about were his own desires, and he didn't care about the ethics of
whatever he did to meet them.  He would have kept right on hurting or
killing anyone who had something he wanted in prison any chance he got.
People who are completely incapable of caring about others are a danger to
society and should be taken out of it, permanently.

Oddly though, despite the fact that I have no doubt that Warren needed
killing, I agree with you that having Willow do it and use torture was
character asassination.  My choice would have been to have Buffy hunt him
down and kill him cleanly, for the purpose of removing the threat.  Remember
that he was not in police custody, and had a number of magical weapons and
defenses when Willow went after him.  Odds are the cops would not have
caught him and he'd have just set up shop somewhere else.  Especially when
you consider that we're talking about the Sunnydale PD here.


tater (Vegetables of the world unite!)



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