Re: Re: Implications in the canon?

[danspector@xxxxxxxxx]

Okay, a really quick thing before I come back later.  (I'll try roman
numerals this time.)

I)  We don't really have many rules here.  We like Buffy, we like
Willow, we think they'd be great together.  Everything else is fair
game. positive or negative.  You can love or hate Xander, Tara, Spike,
S1, S7, B/S, B/F, B/G, B/Parker (all he needed was love! <g>), whatever. 

What you can't do is flame people, ask them why they're on the list just
because they express an opinion you disagree with.  See the subject line
above.  And, to go way back, "ickickick" is not really a productive
comment.

II)  Discussion of episodes or seasons (**especially** from a B/W
perspective!) is NOT "off-topic".  It's in the list definition:  check
out the main page.

III)  Saying you thought the 'ship was mistreated in an episode or
season does NOT equal bashing the 'ship.  Nobody's perfect all the time
(Joss's belief that the sun literally shines out of Spike's ass aside
<g>) and Buffy can have a bitchy day, or a writer/EP can write a script
that makes Buffy act uncharacteristically bitchy/shallow/whatever, and
saying so doesn't mean we love B/W less.  (I'd argue it means we love
them more and hold the show to a higher standard.)

IV)  Noodling over what exactly the creators intended does NOT mean
you're bashing the 'ship.  There's a reason it's called "SUBtext"
it's deeper than the surface.  Joss intended, at various times, that
B/A and B/R and B/S (and W/O and W/T) ALL be seen as True Love, the
girls' One and Only.  But, hey, things change in ways that even Whedon
never planned, whether it's Boreanaz getting a spinoff or Seth Green a
movie or Blucas getting no love from the fans.  So what the canon ends
up as is chapters of an incomplete story, the details to be filled in by
the viewer, based on their understanding of the characters as presented
over time.  If Joss tries to claim that the Scoobs are weak-willed
murderers and Spike is Buffy's Only True Friend, we can laugh and say,
"sorry, doesn't fly, I've actually seen the show, dude."  The greater
understanding is what we take from the characters over time, as the
characters and story take on a life of their own (as any author will
tell you they tend to do).  So, speculating as to exactly how much was
planned is nothing more than an intriguing gameit doesn't impact what
truly resulted, and I don't see a reason to get riled about it.

That said, any implication that this is a lesser 'ship because it's
unconventional, or that whatever slice of canon you choose to focus on
must be accepted as the be-all and end-all IS bashing, and will not be
tolerated.  That Buffy told Angel she loved him (5 times, all in
stressful circumstances) does NOT definitively mean she's not a lesbian,
that she doesn't love or belong with Willow more than she ever loved
Broody.  That Willow made depressed remarks over how Tara was the only
thing in her life that made her feel wonderful does NOT mean that she
doesn't value Buffy's friendship, that she didn't have joy and happiness
from all the wonderful moments we saw them together.  Not everything we
say is definitively true for the entirety of our livesheck, a lot of
it is B/S even as we say it.

It's perfectly fine to try and figure out what rings true and what's a
temporary misperception or whatever, to fit things within the
BuffyLovesWillow framework that we all believe inbut don't talk down
to us or try and shout us down with "Well, the canon says&".   The
canon says a lot of things, to a lot of people.  

Heck, we can't even agree on Buffy's birthdate, and our two Jan.
20th-born writers can't even agree on whether that would make Buffy a
Capricorn or an Aquarius.  Respect the differences, and respect Buffy,
Willow, and B/W.

V)  Damn right we need more fic!  Has absolutely zippo to do with
whether we're having a 'ship discussion, though.  Want more fic?  Write
it!

VI) It would also be really, really nice if people would GIVE FEEDBACK
to the authors.  That's a real good way to keep the fic coming.  MORE
FEEDBACK, PLEASE.  MORE FEEDBACK.  And, did I mention this?  MORE
FEEDBACK.

VII) If you don't want to read non-fic posts, don't read them.  Simple
as that.  That's why we ask that the fics are **clearly labelled as
such**, with "FIC:" in the subject line.

VIII)  Damn, this got long.  And I'm sure I've still missed something.
Will come back later with individual responses and my own take on some
matters in E's last post.  (Er, last couple of posts&apparently 'e
types faster than I do.)

Peace, love, and B/W smoochies,

Dan



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