Re: OT re: "Popular" fanfic couples

["Koos van Winden" <koosfanfic@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

--- In buffywantswillow@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "ebailey140" 
<ebailey140@a...> wrote:
> --- In buffywantswillow@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Koos van Winden"
> <koosfanfic@h...> wrote:
> > I exactly know what you mean. It's only one comparison. And it's 
only 
> > coming from the fact that Spike is a vampire. I can give you a 
lot 
> > more comparisons between Xander and Spike; which is based on 
> > personality.
> > 
> > Spike is not helpless, I agree. He's a manipulator. He uses words 
as 
> > his power against the slayer and mostly anything else. Xander 
does 
> > that too. The big difference between Xander and Spike is only 
that 
> > Spike has a demon inside and is soulless. Xander does not have 
that 
> > darkness inside him what all the other do have. Xander didn't 
> > understand Faith and the danger which was inside her.
> > 
> > Spike/Dru = VampXander/VampWillow.
> > 
> > Everything about Spike is modelled after Xander. Spike is the 
vampire 
> > version of Xander. Faith is modelled after Buffy AND Xander. 
Faith is 
> > Buffy who she would have been if she hadn't had any friends.
>
> I always thought Spike's main mirrors were Giles and Riley, 
actually.

Riley is not possible, Spike was created in S2. Giles I can 
understand, but their biggest comparison is that they are both 
British. And Giles is way to serious.

Look at some comparisons and differences between Xander and Spike.

BBBW: both Spike and Xander give their lover a necklace. Both are 
more or less the Zeppo of their little group.

Lover's Walk and the Zeppo: both start with identity issues and both 
break free from them. Only Spike does it on very loud and visible way 
and with violence, while with Xander does it the quiet way (and 
helpful) and nobody even knows it. (Both eps are written by the same 
author).

Spike wears a tight t-shirt and tight pants. Xander loose pants and 
sweat-shirts. VampXander and the Hyena wear cloths similar to Spike.

Both are comic relief.

Both hate Angel.

Both love Buffy, and are prepared to do *anything*  for her. Only 
Spike as a soulless demon can go further. They both love women in 
general.

Both have a very high emotional perspective. THE difference with for 
example Riley. Only Spike uses it for his own gain.

Spike is a lover. Xander is a friend. VampXander is a lover too.

Spike (apparently) is hot. Xander is (apparently) cute.

In S4 both character are thrown back to a situation that's their 
lowest in life. (Doomed). Ever noticed that whenever a character 
reaches the lowest point or worst moment in her/his life is at that 
moment with Xander? Probably the reason why demons are attracted to 
him:)

I have to say that Giles also reached his lowest point in S4. Who do 
you see the most together in S4? Giles, Spike and Xander.

**

It's not unlikely to think that Spike was meant to be Xander's gay 
partner. (I'm NOT a Spander!) They chose for Willow to be gay, 
probably because Seth Green left.

>    Riley was the ultra chivilric champion of his goddess figure. 

Riley is more modelled after (again) Xander, IMO. Riley is the man, 
Xander would have wanted to be. (Past tense!) Xander was very 
idealistic. (Which changed drastically in S6).

But, Riley is too dumb and emotional too vulnerable. No way, that 
he's a match for either Xander or Spike.

> Notice, in The Initiative, they even have the same entrance to 
Buffy's
> and Willow's room.  Some have suggested that Christian Kane, who
> played Lindsey on Angel, would have made a much better Riley than
> Blucas did, given the character the sort of intense layers they 
seemed
> to be trying for with the character.  As for Giles, they really 
played
> up the parallels between Spike and Ripper in various episodes.  
Again, that's only the dark side. But, all characters, except for 
Xander, have that. Even Riley tends to get to the darkness in S5. 
Don't get me wrong, darkness is a very important aspect of the 
series, but only a part. And it's why Xander plays such an important 
aspect in this part.

The Ripper is part evil and part bitterness. The Spike/Xander arcline 
is from S2 till S7's Him; almost constantly. Giles' is only in a few 
eps. Giles' arcline is that of one who needs to become a full 
Watcher, which he can't and therefore has created an alterego, called 
the Ripper. At first Giles' is still innocent in his role as a 
Watcher and his more of fatherfigure. Angelus changed that at first. 
But, the real change came when he needed to kill Ben. Which led to 
LMPT, one last crucial step of Giles being a Watcher was made. Spike 
only happened to be a plotdevice for that. There's nothing between 
Spike and Giles. As a matter of fact it's even more Xander and Giles 
as Xander was the one who suggested to kill Ben.







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