Re: Take on 'Seeing Red'; SPOILERS

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--- In buffywantswillow@y..., jeepy91@a... wrote:

jumpin' on Cassie's back once again...

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... hope ya don't mind.


> Tara and Willow spent practically the entire episode snuggled or in bed. As 
> much as I don't mind the visual,

because ALYSON IS HOT!


> Speaking of certain smoochies, was I the only one who found it
> incredibly amusing that as Willow and Tara are sitting in bed in
> their afterglow, Willow mentions that she's thinking about Buffy? LOL

I guffawed.

> I mean yeah, it wasn't in a shippy sense, but come on, it was worth
> a little I think. And I think that whole scene went to show that
> Tara really doesn't know Willow that well. After she spilled the
> beans to Willow about Spuffy, Willow looked hurt as all 
> hell that Buffy kept it from her. She even said as much. And Tara
> proceeds to tell Willow that Buffy was afraid to tell her because
> she didn't want to see the look Willow was wearing. Willow wasn't
> disguested, she was hurt that Buffy kept it from her! And that
> wasn't what Buffy wasn't worried about. So 
> Tara needs to take Willow 101 and get some things right.

This has been the thing that has bugged me about Tara since sometime 
in S5. Tara will do some interpretation of Will's meaning or look and 
I find myself totally scratching my head. (Man, you shoulda heard me 
describing my immediate reaction to that scene. I went totally 
ballistic. Glad I had time to calm down before I saw the whole ep, cuz 
otherwise I woulda been seething for at least half an hour.)

What I found REALLY interesting, tho, was that Willow didn't back down 
and "forgive" Tara's blunder. When Will said she "wasn't..." Tara 
tried to lighten the mood by referring to their marathon and apparently 
noisy sex antics, but Willow didn't go with her: She stayed focussed on 
being worried about Buffy.

(If W/T were so noisy, how did Dawn not hear them?)

> As for Dawn, well she didn't annoy me at all in this ep, which is
> something new. 
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> Ok, I take that back, she did annoy me a bit now that I think about
> it more. But nowhere near where she usually ranks.

HA! I had that EXACT reaction! At first I was like, "Huh, you're not 
so bad today; musta got that regimen worked out, eh?" But later on it 
was, "Heeeey, waitaminute! You ARE annoying me!"

There's just something so...false about Dawn. False emotionality 
(fakeness, or at least perceived fakeness) makes my neck muscles cramp.

And I agree on the forcedness of the S&D scene. After ME has spent 
months pounding us over the head with grinding repitition, NOW they 
decide to pick up something they've COMPLETELY IGNORED since ep 2?!

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> So I guess that brings me to the Spuffy attempted rape scene. And
> you know, alot of the Spuffy's were offended by that terminology
> when we first heard about the scene. But that's exactly what it was.

Totally.

I'm not sure I liked the editing of that scene, btw.

> Now one thing that I am worried about is the Buffy/Xander thing. I
> don't think it's just me, but I'm getting definite vibes off the two
> of them.

Yeah. I kept thinking about Dan. I still don't believe they will go 
there if for no other reason that SMG and NB have zilch *sexual* 
chemistry and are way too siblingy at this point, but I gotta admit 
that ME seemed to be testing the waters. OTOH, as you alluded to 
later, they were contrasting B/X and W/T. Now, normally, the B/X 
scenes would have been B/W/X scenes, but they had to have Will with 
Tara. So all the energy was contained in a dyad instead of a triad, so 
B/X *seemed* more intense than normal. IOW, their intensity was 
partially a result of plotting necessity... ya know?

Speaking of plotting necessities: The B/X effect wasn't bad, but what 
about having to get Will and Tara out of the house in prep for the 
bathroom scene? W/T actually went to Tara's dorm room!! Dawn went to 
visit Janice to give them time alone; time was of the essence in 
tracking down the Troika; yet W/T packed up and went to Tara's room?! 
WTF?!

> And what was the bit about her personal life not being his 
> business?

I thought maybe DeKnight was throwing in a "growing up" thing. But I 
don't know how to feel about it. I mean, I can understand both of 
their viewpoints.

okay, now we're getting to the part that i'm most jazzed about...

> And what was with the reprise on the whole heaven thing again? I
> thought we had that settled. And if she should be talking to anyone
> about it, her and Willow need to discuss it.

Exactly! (but i think the heaven thing was mentioned again at least in 
part because we needed a reminder as to how everyone got to where they 
are, ya know? i think there's more down the pike on that point, in any 
case.)

> Where are our Buffy/Willow avowals? GRRRRR

Cas, you're touching on the huge, polka-dotted elephant that everyone 
danced around in this ep. Buffy.Never.Told.Willow. Ever. It dawned 
on me halfway thru that B&W never talked about Spuffy so I started 
watching for clues that an offscreen disclosure had been made. Nope. 
In point of fact, Buffy made a conscious choice to hide the Spike 
assault from Willow -- even tho she'd just been laying there with her 
robe open during that whole time with Xander. And that was after she'd 
already danced around the 'Spike as Scooby' issue when Dawn brought it 
up *even though* Buffy knew that Tara and Dawn knew about Spuffy. Now, 
certainly, Buffy might have guessed that Tara or Dawn told Willow, but 
even so she seemed awful reluctant to actually acknowledge it herself 
to Willow. Furthermore, Gershman threw in a reaction shot of Willow 
waiting to see and hear Buffy's response. Very specific, that.

hmmm...something's brewing on the horizon with B/W, something that goes 
beyond Witchy Willow. I can't wait!

And let me just state right now for the record that I'm gonna enjoy 
every moment of Black Magic Willow. I fully expect ME to take Her 
Witchiness away from me after o these many seasons of delight, so I'm 
gonna enjoy it while it lasts. Also, Warren needs to pay.

(btw, why did Xander burst into the bathroom? is that really the first 
place you look for someone? And doncha usually knock?? Did Buffy's 
"I'm in here" get cut or sumpin?)

one last thing: both Tara and Buffy were startled by Will. hmm.