Re: when did it all begin?

["zorro625" <epostadressami@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

--- In buffywantswillow@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "ebailey140" <ebailey140@a...
> wrote:
> --- In buffywantswillow@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "zorro625"
> <epostadressami@h...> wrote:
> > 
> > > > > Y'know, I've never really gotten how it's OK for Xander to 
be
> > > > > involved with a woman over 1000, and Buffy to date guys past
> > > > the
> > > > > century mark, but not someone in his 40s. 
> > > > 
> > > > For me it's not so much the "incest" idea. It's the
> > > > authority-figure issue.
> > > 
> > > When did she ever see him as an authority figure?  :)
> > > 
> > > Mentor figure, sure.
> > > 
> > > E
> > 
> > To put in my 2 cents here, Giles was a authority figure for buffy 
in 
> > the first 2, possibly 3 seasons. Most in season 1, diminishing 
from 
> > thereon out. She didnt want to be the slayer, she didnt want to be 
> > training to be the slayer, she certainly didnt want to patrolling 
> > every night and ruining her social life and having her mother mad 
at 
> > her all the time.  Yet she did it, and that was mainly due to 
Giles 
> > pushing her. If that doesnt cover as a authorithy figure, then i 
dont 
> > know what does. Buffy never did act all respectful towards 
him(like 
> > Kendra did), but nonetheless, she followed his orders, did what he 
> > said(albeit grudgeingly).  I think thats what makes people(me 
> > included) go ick at that relationship aswell. 
>
> She followed orders?  When?  She made decisions to help people, but
> those were decisions she made on her own.  She didn't go after the
> vamp that took Willow to the crypt because Giles ordered her to, but
> because there was this vamp taking Willow to a crypt.  Giles figured
> out she wasn't going to take an order right after their first
> conversation.  
>
> Having a sense of responsibility and letting a mentor teach and help
> isn't following orders or being subservient.  If anything, she 
ordered
> him around.  "Get your books, look stuff up".

Did we watch the same show? Describing Buffy and Giles relationships 
this simply is like saying that Joyce was simply the person that fed 
and bought Buffy new clothes.  Sure, Buffy didnt always follow Giles's 
orders(and yes, he did give her orders often enough) but that doesnt 
mean that Buffy was the boss and Giles was merely a mentor who teached 
her.   When Buffy wants out of her duties, she argues, wheedles, 
whines, and lies(shes a teenager afterall) but i cant remember a 
single instance where she went "Get your books, look stuff up" Maybe 
you can back up that claim with an episode?(im not asking for the 
exact quote, simply a episode where Buffy is the one ordering Giles 
around, instead of the other way around in the first seasons)  

As for the spesific incident you are referring to, yes, she is going 
after Willow because she wants to, and not because Giles says so. 
Makes sense, if you consider the fact that they met the previous day. 
At that point, he is still just a creepy librarian that tries to make 
her hunt vamps, whitch she is REALLY not interested in doing.  She got 
kicked out of her last school for it, had to move, and depending on if 
you believe that s6 rubbish, spent the summer in an insane asylum for 
it. Relationships do take a bit of time to develop you know. But once 
she decides that she cant run from being a slayer, and accepts that 
she is the chosen one, she also accepts Giles as her watcher.  I'd 
agree with that in the first episodes there is not too much 
Giles/Buffy interaction, but once Hank stops acting like a father 
figure, Giles takes over that role.








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